http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34328910/ns/world_news-europe/.
if we are NOT persecuted, then, according to the above listed verses,
we are NOT jehovah's true congregation.
Let's see, that would mean that those of Christendom and the Jews who are persecuted are God's true organization, and there are currently quite a few Christians around the world being persecuted far worse than the JWs are right now. Eh?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34328910/ns/world_news-europe/.
You can't go around spewing that all the governments and religions are evil and controlled by satan and will soon be destroyed and expect no consequences. That's idiotic.
Maybe up north in the land of sheep, but not in this country, Pal. Unlike you, the States holds very dear its constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion and speech. And that's one of the reasons so many Canadians wish they were Americans even with all of our faults. But don't get me wrong, I still love Canadians, just not the ignorant ones, the law and order bleeters at the expense of human expression types.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34328910/ns/world_news-europe/.
Leaving aside the issues/scandals of the JWs...this is not good news for any anyone who wants freedom to believe as they want. It starts by banning "extreme" groups then over time they start banning the more benign groups until one day there is only one state religion run by the government as a ploy to control the people.
I'd much rather fight the oppression of a cult like religion over freedom of thought and action than fight an oppressive government with military and police at their disposal.
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Well spoken.
Why are you so worried about slandering one of God's congregations? Is this what you live for Jonathan?
First off, it would be libel, not slander, and secondly, my criticism wouldn't amount to libel because generally truth is a defense. Third, as a matter of fact, yes, setting the record straight with respect to the JWs is one of my primary goals here. I devoted three years to this project of over 130,000 words. I stand guilty as charged, but all of my work pales compared to the millions if not billions of dollars invested in the WT publishing houses and that endless sea of criticism that gushes out of that money-making machine. Sanctioning my criticism but not theirs is a double standard, and I'm certainly not doing it for the money or the fame. And lastly, the WTS is not one of God's congregations. Some of his people are trapped in there, but the Society has completely inverted Christianity, top to bottom. You can't claim to be a Christian church or congregation and not believe the real Christianity of the Bible. It's impossible. You can't be a Christian in the truest sense and preach the Watchtower.
The bible teaches ressurection and judgment day after this. The bible doesn't teach that you inherit God kingdom when you die, God's Kingdom isn't completed and doesn't come down to earth until the end of this system of things (end of Rev); making it not possable to go there if it isn't finished yet. Plus don't you pray for 'God's will to be done and His Kingdom to come on earth as it is in heaven' like Jesus taught. The dead know nothing, they are resting waiting being raised.
Until you learn how to tie this directly to what someone has said, quote that which you are responding to, you're just spinning your wheels.
The dust goes back to the ground, the soul dies, and the spirit keeping one alive returns to God -not our spirit, we don't have one, but God's Holy spirit goes back to God, the breath of life. And may it be one day or a million years the next thing you know is that you are alive and the time of your death will feel like a split second. One would be alive, then dead, then regardless of the time it you would feel like your instantly back to life again, i would assume because the dead know nothing.
What does this have to do with anything I've written? Quote something, please.
Or do you belive everything your told jon. and twist the sriptures to back up your belifes while slandering others that may be true?
Of course not. If I did I'd be you, or a JW. And these aren't MY beliefs. I have an army of religious thinkers to back this up. I'm not the one out on a limb here, I'm not the one inventing religion and twisting things; you are, as well-meaning as you might be. These views of Christendom are well represented and attested to.
jere:
You are shoveling out WT doctrine hook, line and sinker. I don't care if you belong to them or not. It's some of the garbage you are passing off. Much of what you say it true, I'll give you that. As for logic, you are supposed to use, examine scripture with it, ... Are you saying we are suppose to be illogical?
i know this subject probably does not interest most here, but i thought i would share the result of my study, anyway.. http://www.jwstudies.com/written_by_the_finger_of_god.pdf.
doug.
Which finger?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34328910/ns/world_news-europe/.
I have to side with the JWs on this one. This is a horrible decision. Really sickening. Deplorable.... all those words.
And any real American here who agrees with this ruling should just pack up and move on over to Moscow. Time to embargo those Vodka swilling fascists. Time for U.N. sanctions. All right, Flipper, your turn. I think we've been through this one before.
i just don't understand.
i was raised a jw, believed the whole line of bullshit, hook, line, and sinker.
after leaving i still believed in the bible.
I dont belong to any church but I can say christendom is not full of the desparate,hopeless,ignorant people as the Watchtower taught me.
Well said.
i just don't understand.
i was raised a jw, believed the whole line of bullshit, hook, line, and sinker.
after leaving i still believed in the bible.
ME: Demons are running rampant on this board. Ex-jw atheists and God-haters were gullible enough to join in the first place, or if they were born in, gullible enough to stay in after the age of 18, and after they get out they display the same gullibility in the opposite direction, reflecting dangerous instability.
YOU: Someone as dogmatic as you about an ancient book of fairy tales has no call using the word "gullible" in reference to others. Have fun in your make-believe world, with your imaginary friend. I was born into the JW religion. What's your excuse?
ME: The gullibility with respect to going in or staying in refers to the Society's fabrications and mis-interpretations and application, not whether the Bible is the Word of God which is the part they got right. The gullibility in getting out and becoming anti-Christ concerns whether the Bible is the Word of God, and/or whether God exists.
i just don't understand.
i was raised a jw, believed the whole line of bullshit, hook, line, and sinker.
after leaving i still believed in the bible.
Meanwhile the bible says god created the earth in 6 days a few thousand years ago.
Days are epochs.
